We're having a casual, fireside chat with my buddy Matt about all things purpose and lots of other randomness. We talk about all my favourite topics today!
Matt Baxter, CEO at Wedge, is a serial entrepreneur. He started his first business at the
age of 15, owning and operating Stony Pointe Lawn care for over six years, before selling
the company in July 2015. Stemming from his experience while recruiting and hiring
employees for his business, Matt created Wedge. The modern recruiting platform is
turning video screening into a competitive advantage. Matt’s focus is on removing
inefficiencies and enhancing the recruiting function overall to make hiring easier.
Given recent conditions, from the overnight move to remote hiring to the current shift
towards a hybrid workforce model, recruiting keeps evolving. As a result, traditional hiring
methods won’t cut it in the here and now. Wedge is built for the demands of modern
recruiting. Wedge, the video screening solution, helps companies make authentic
connections with candidates – anytime, anywhere, on any device. Under Matt’s
leadership, Wedge serves as a stress-free filter to identify top talent. To provide
customers with richer capabilities, Matt has led the development and growth of Wedge’s
partner program with leading ATS integrations.
Most recently, Matt led Wedge’s funding round with $1.6M in additional finding with
participation form new and existing investors to support its accelerated journey to make
hiring faster and easier. The funding is well-timed as industry analysts predict that the
U.S. is entering one of the hottest job markets in a decade. By helping meet the
challenges of remote hiring, Wedge has become an essential solution for many
companies under Matt’s leadership.
Matt hosts "The Matt Baxter Show," dedicated to people finding their purpose. The show
is an opportunity to have conversations spanning purpose-related topics with people who
love what they do every day. He is also the co-author of “The Hiring Knot,” a practical
informative look at modern recruiting. The book will be published early 2022.
Matt was most recently included in the Grand Rapids Business Journal 2021 40 Under
40. He is a member of the Board of Directors for the Michigan Center for Economic
Innovation, Yornest, a social media app, and the NextGen Board for Wedgewood
Matt is the co-founder of Hopper Popper: https://hopperpopper.co/.
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You're on this earth for a purpose. You want to live a life that matters. So let's get through the fear and the overwhelm and all the crap that gets in the way of you living the life of fear for this is the becoming ourselves podcast where we are fired up about you getting clear on who you are, what you're called to, and how to get there. Because the world is waiting for you to show up and own your power.Juli Wenger:
I'm your host, Juli Wenger, a coach, a speaker, a Jesus lover in Enneagram, two, and a tree shaker. Let's dive into what's keeping you stuck. Because on the other side, is a life that's fired up the film. Welcome to Friday with Matt and Julie.Unknown:
Isn't this supposed to be like wine time or something like that? What's the well? Yeah, so we were supposed to have this be the wine with Julian Matt episode. And then I did a thing because we've been running this Instagram thing for like, two, two ish years called wine with Julie right. And I got this sense a couple of months ago, like, yeah, you're not supposed to do that anymore. I was like, Oh, okay. And interestingly, I had people I was interacting with at the time that were starting to step out of alcohol, because it was taken them out. And I was seeing things come up, you know how, like, when you're supposed to change something, things start showing up all of the places all over your social and in books you're reading and in podcast you're listening to I'm like, This is how God yells at me. You're not talking about like, Jeff Bezos, his ads or anything like that, are you? No, no, we're not talking about the algorithm. And like the, your phone is always listening nonsense. But it was getting this everywhere, like the glorification of alcohol. And I had this feeling like I need to cut back and make sure that it doesn't own me. Because in COVID, it's been super, super easy to just have a glass of wine every night, anytime a day, multiple days in a row. I mean, there's Yeah, I have two glasses of wine every night. So like, Okay, I'm going to cut way back and be as like a solidarity move with these people that I care about. And that are making this big lifestyle change. And this big transition from alcohol, especially ruling them into this new form of freedom. I just could not be in a position where wine was part of my brand. It felt out of integrity. And then the most interesting thing happened. I posted about it. Like why am scrapping wine with Julia? And I had so much feedback from people that never had complained about it because I only ever heard positive things no one had ever said to me like this wine with Julie thing. Why do you do that? I don't like that, like people loved it. But all these other people came out of the woodwork. Like that's so brave, or I've been doing the same thing or that gave me permission to or I never really resonated with that. Or you're so affirming. So it was one of those trust your gut. And yeah, I love it. So we're not doing wine with Matt and Julie. We're just doing random randomness with Matt and Julie. So I think we can probably keep a pretty entertaining conversation going without the wine. That's my hunch. I think so. Interesting question that why do you think Jesus's first public miracle was alcohol related? I have no idea like that's one of those like you know, casual walk with the good Lord sort of conversation be like okay with like literally the very first public miracle that he made was to add more wine to a party. You think about you think about like the Christian you think about like the the Christian idea of like taboo, like don't have too much wine you know that all the conversations around it but literally the first thing is his mother came to him and said the first thing that you need to come out and do publicly that shows that you are more than just demand is create more wine for this this wedding. Isn't that like, but you know what? It's like meeting people where they're 100% totally what I got attention. Yeah, anyway, well, and it's not so it's not that you know, wine is inherently bad. Yeah, right. It's more this like and I've been reading through proverbs and stuff lately and it's the don't get drunk on it. Yep. It's don't let it rule you. It's don't let it be a thing that becomes a vise for you and distracts you from the bigger picture. And here's what I found actually in cutting back significantly cuz we were doing the like wine club and go through like two, three bottles of wine a week. And Dustin could care less, right? But he'll like half a glass with me if I'm having a glass, he's like, whatever, do what you want. I am so much more emotionally regulated when I am not drinking on the regular. So in the last four months, I've been home 15 days, I think 20 days just due to traveling bunch of trips to Vegas for conferences and stuff like that, and raising capital and blah, blah, blah, Excuse Excuse Excuse to add up to why I've justified having many happy hours in a row sort of thing. And it's amazing how much it screws up your sleep. It screws up like, like, I mean, there's so many different things. And obviously, there's moments where it's fun, entertaining, blah, blah, blah. But like that I have actively considered whether like it's worth giving up or not, because I've kind of gone through the same exact thing. Kind of sounds like what you're going through as well, too. But I'm with it. Yeah, I like the culture. But I could do without the intoxication. Yeah. I like the flavor of wine. I actually do enjoy wine. Yeah, but it's great. Yeah. So let's back up the truck here for a minute because welcome Matt Baxter to the show. Tell the people a little bit about who you are other than the randomness that just came out. And we'll go from there. My name is Matt Baxter. Good to meet everyone. I am from Ann Arbor, Michigan. I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I own a software company that is in the HR tech space. We help people hire with video. I started my first business when I was 15. It was a little landscaping and lawn care company that I had a chance to sell when I was 21. It was a fun opportunity that I learned a lot more don'ts than dues but as a cool one that was kind of the fuel for what my businesses and HR tech space today. I travel a lot. I occasionally enjoyed drinking wine. And I have a golden retriever. And that's pretty much majority of my life right there. Beautiful. My elevator pitch like one to 10. Now you've all met Yeah. Good job, Julie introducing your guest at the beginning of the show. I'm like I did on his podcast. So everybody must know just that. Matt and I actually we've connected initially about like purpose and identity. And his podcast often is talking a lot about purpose. And so we just have a lot in common that way. It's like you know what, be fun. We should just trade these. So here's what I'm going to throw at you because I found something we're going to go all Jesus up in here today because I feel like I like it. Okay, so here's what I was reading. I totally geeked out last week. I was reading Colossians Okay, who reads Colossians? But what as I say, I can barely spell Colossian let alone read it. So okay, that's not to be good. If you're hoping for references to start but fine. Well, and it's like, I'm just looking at it. It's like a three page Bible book. Yeah, right. Like it's not it's not a big so it's really easy to just flip past it like the pages stick together, you're done. But, but I found this cool thing talking about identity and purpose. Okay, because I am a purpose junkie. And I help people write purpose statements. So here's the first piece Colossians two verse two. Paul's writing a why statement? Okay, here's what says My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love. So like, Okay, here's your contribution, because this is what this is what I do right contribution plus transformation equals impact, say that again, affirmation plus transformation equals contribution, what they contribute, turns into transformation for the people we contribute to, which then equals an impact and overall bigger picture impact. Okay, so contribution may be encouraged and heart united and love, so that. So here's where we get into transformation. They may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I lost it. I totally geeked out it's like, Oh, why statement? And it's in here. Can you read it one more time? Yeah, definitely have it. Definitely have it memorized. But I just think you say it way better than I do. You don't have anything memorized? Can we just like call that that is like so many of us are like not pulling out Bible verses like this one. Yeah. And this is here, and this is here. There. I do have some of these friends and I'm like, Yeah, excuse me. How does your brain work like this? But okay, so my goal is that they may be encouraged in heart, and united and love so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. It's a wise statement in the Bible. Is that not the coolest thing? remind me who wrote that is Paul? Yeah. That the the interesting one and that one? Can we unpack it a little bit? Understanding part is one that messes me up on that one. Because it's like when you stop and think about the mystery of what faith is, is like, there's so much that I'm like, okay, yeah, I can theoretically understand what might have been happening now that I've reflected XYZ years later, in the sense of like, understanding, but when you stop and think about, like, How mysterious faith is to then try to understand it to equal where you're headed, I think is like one that I'm like, I don't know, I definitely wouldn't admit not smart enough for but also just like, that, that part is like, Man, I'm not even close to tapping into the understanding piece. Mm hmm. I think that's like, that's the phase of the journey that I feel like I'm stepping into right now, is creating the space to tune in enough that I think about understanding and wisdom is almost exchangeable. In a lot of like, Biblical sense of, when we have wisdom, then we can learn to understand when we have wisdom, we can learn to understand. I like that. I'm with you, which I didn't make up that. I was about to say that's read that one, that's a bold one. That's that's tattoo worthy. That's not me that I read that somewhere else, okay. But here's what here's the catches me on this, the full riches of complete understanding. Because we think about riches in western context as like, stereotypical success and wealth and abundance as stereotypical success and wealth. So here's our I'm curious for you. I'm gonna ask you some questions today, cuz I know you're an interviewer and you're, like, throw stuff at me all the time. But what does abundance look like? So technically are like living daily. What does that mean to you? Why? Abundance abundance to me right now is like, I think laughter. Like, true form of laughter, I think is abundance to me right now. So I think it's like, if you're in a position in life, so So in whether it's running a business, figuring out life, family, all these other things that come, there's good bad, different pressures, blah, blah, blah, life that we're living, we've got COVID going on, yada, yada, yada, yada. And I think like the stresses of life kind of pushed us away from feeling like true joy. And I'm not like I'm very I'm super anti happiness, happiness, happiness, happiness. I'm like, I despise that completely. I think it's like the dumbest goal to shoot for. I, you may disagree, and I hope you challenge if you do. But like, to me, I genuinely think like abundance is like the ability to like, just laugh at a pure joy, whether it's with somebody, whether it's like, friggin driving in a car by yourself, like, it doesn't really matter. Like I just I truly believe like, laughter is a big one. And I think that like, God designed us to laugh more, I don't think God designed us to be remarkably stress pressurized, like, and so to me, abundance is literally just like the ability to laugh wherever you're at, whether it's a business meeting, whether it's with friends, whether it's on a podcast, whether it's with a stranger, whether it's just like truly sitting there and giggling to yourself, like whatever it may be. So I asked the esoteric piece of that is like whether that's like, my answer of kind of broad picture of what abundance over a life means. Maybe not. But at least right now, that's what it means. So here's what's cool about that, because I've been researching definitions of things. And this whole like book process, says, looking at fulfilled because I've had this thing I've been playing around with, have you on the other side of us going through a journey of finding our purpose, knowing who we are, is life that's fired up, fulfilled and free. And I've been breaking up full and filled, instead of it being one word. And so I was looking at definitions. And here's what was really cool. Full is a noun, it's like a state, a state of being filled to capacity. So the fullest like the state of being component, and then the filled is active, because it's a verb. So we're taking this activity and we're blending it with a pre existing state of being and we're putting them together. And where I'm getting to with that is that when we're operating from a place of being filled to capacity, and we're showing up and we're living out our calling, then we get to joy and peace and freedom and like that's what abundance is to me. Where it's not about like money. I think that's just like a secondary, right? It's a it's a it's a it's a byproduct and whatever capacity looks Yeah, so I want to make sure this is like back biblically before I like, broadly state this, but I'm pretty convinced that there's passages throughout scripture that talks about like how God lives in us, right. And how we are called to the ends of the earth to make disciples were called to almost live like greater is not the right word but like we're called to do even more than like what Christ did on this planet extense many people, right. So if you stop and think about if God lives in us, every single person that we meet, we get the opportunity to get to know God a little bit more through people, right. And so I think like one of the purest form of like, kind of, I think a little bit touching on what you're talking about is like one of the purest forms of like, living joyfully, is fully living into that bit of who God wants me to be. But like God living outward, like outwardly through me. And I think one of the coolest things possible is helping somebody else find what that sort of God moment is or who sort of God coming out is whether it's you on a podcast becoming a you know, becoming a coach versus, you know, that's, that's, that's God coming out through you, because that's where your skill, that's where you can reach people, that's where you can speak both, you know, about faith with people, right. And so I just think like, that's like, if you can live into that, whatever it looks like, whether it's like, you may not be doing this 30 years from now, whatever it may be, but like you're living it in this moment, you're, you're impacting lives, like, I think that's fully living abundantly. Yeah, well, and here's like, I wish I would have written it down. Don't you hate that? Because I read it. And it was the most aha moment, but I didn't flag it or highlight it in my app, or whatever. But it was talking about the love that's been placed in us. And then talking about going out and being love. And I had this moment of like, Oh, it's a flow through. It's not that when I show up with a client, or if I show up on a call with you, or I show up, in whatever capacity I'm showing up, and I'm loving people that it has to be me draining my own tank. It's actually no, there's something that's been placed here for them. And I'm just like this conduit, where it's like, okay, and here it is. And now I'm here with you, and I'm giving you the thing that's not actually from me, it's from him. I was like, what, like, there's been so much of that lately. And it's such a cool place to be in, but you said something that really kind of triggered me. And it goes on here. When here's what I'm recognizing in my learning to be bolder about all of this, is, I have so shied away from having come to faith conversations with people. I've very much found places where it's like, oh, we have shared faith, so then we can have these conversations. And when it comes to people who are being placed in this ministry that I call a business, because that's fundamentally what this is. And I recognize that more and more and more and more. It's like, it's not my business. It's his it's not my book. It's his cool, let's go what's next God, and there's so much freedom in that for me, but for me to show up with people who have not been raised in the church or don't have any sort of like foundational faith and to know what to say to them. I'm just like, yeah, exactly. It's like, I feel like I in my head know what I should say. But when it actually comes to it's like, wait a minute, what, like I, I'm with you, I get it. That that piece is hard. And just like showing up so I recorded another podcast today. I was guesting on someone else's. And I'm so in this space of like, be bold or dually Be bold or people are not push anybody into anything but just like own who you are, and be unapologetic and authentic. And I can't detach my faith from who I am. Because I'm who I am because I have my faith and because I know who's I am. So like writing the journey was the book was a stretch of talking about that faith journey because I can't disconnect them. But then I get into secular spaces. And I'm like how bold can I be without being off putting? And I think it's kind of that same energy in really wanting for people for them to know and to feel and experience the the faith and the grace and the being held in the power and the connection that exists when we have the relationship that we have with God. No no I'm when I have this. Whether it's false humility, incredibly arrogant or just kick smack to the face reminder of like, God doesn't need me at all like God's Kingdom isn't imminent. by me, Jesus doesn't need me. The world doesn't need me. But yet I think one of the truest forms of faith is recognizing that God chooses us. And when God chooses us, obviously, that's where his impact shines. But that's where and I think it's like, to your point where, you know, business and ministry, like, that's one of the hardest things is high performing successful people who are a faith, like, how do you balance this interesting thing of like, look, I want to go impact I want to go change lives. But I also need the humble reminder that like, Yeah, I'm not the king. And this is not my kingdom. And I mean, I, that is a daily pick up my cross that I lose, most times, in the sense of, it's like, there's so many days where I'm like, Man, I can go impact the world, I can go change, and I'm so excited to do so. And I feel like I'm gifted in some ways. But at the same time, it's very much like, a gentle reminder to say, like, God does not meet need me, but he chooses me to be a servant to him. And there's freedom in that. And that's not always the best that that one. So, I worked through that one a lot. That one's that one's a constant daily prayer that I have to work through. And mine is like choosing, choosing my enoughness choosing that, that I can believe that I am as called. As I know, right? There's a part of me that knows. And there's a part of me that's known for a long time. And what he's been working on in me over the last couple of years, and all this transition is my ego. Is the making it about me. And the battling against, well, I can't do it if it's going to be about me. And right. It's, it's actually really cool to think about what could I have just stood up and said, two years ago versus now? And where is it coming from? And if I'd stood up last like two years ago, and said, I am called to be on stages, and to speak in front of people and to write books, and to be a change maker and impact a lot of lives, I would have felt like, oh, that's like, you know, that's ego, don't do that. That's all about you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was it was like, You were afraid that anything good was about you. So partially and then partially that like I wanted it to be about me. Because if I do that, then people will like me. And then I'll be enough and I'll fit in and I'll bla bla bla bla bla bla. And now the shift is I can own that stuff I can own knowing that there is something in my future that looks like that. Because he's placed that in me and said, This is what I'm working towards. And I don't have all the details, right. But it's like, I can own it. Because I know that when I talk about it now it's not about me. And I know when I get to that point, it won't be about me. It'll be like Okay, here I am my conduit self. You know, yep, I think that's the, the ego work of just like caring less what people think and caring less about fitting in and caring less about being too much or caring less about, just like, whatever. I wish I could say I had that one figured out but I'm with ya. I mean, everything you just said I, I go through false senses of humility, where it's like, Man, I'm trying really hard to not make this about me, but I'm okay if it is sort of thing opposed to like, yeah, I will spend a lot of time trying to not make it about me to please other people when it's like, no, the point wasn't me at all is about him, or whatever it may be or is about them, whoever, whatever it may be. And so I started I mean, I'm with you on that one. I think I think that's a lifetime battle. We're not perfect. We don't have it all figured out. Oh, gosh. You know, Bob, do you know back office, Bob God. He's got the hill he talks about like the whole work in progress tattoo we need we all need daily, daily. I need it. I just need a gentle reminder to everybody. Hey, work in progress, and it's getting worse at times. Sometimes it's getting better but you all need to go follow Bob Gough. He really likes Billy. He's really happy. I swear he is in Enneagram 700% is the most enjoy I have ever seen. And he is a he is a hugger and he's a big man and I'm not a big man and when he's Oh, he's like he's probably six five plus. And he has like the widest arms and I'm like not six five plus, we're like less than five five plus and so when he he draws in for Big hug he he consumed yet to me. Yeah, I totally Thought he was like 511. And that's it like, that's crazy. No, he's he's big. His big energies. Maybe he needs a body that big to hold it. I don't know. It's actually it's funny because I remember listening to his audio books because that's the best way to do Bob is to listen to the audio books because he is a storyteller. And he's got his head on straight about this whole faith thing. You know, just like loving people full stop, just love people. That's it. Nothing else required enjoy life. be silly. Be he says whimsical all the time. That's a sort of Lindsay. Were listening to the one of the books that he was loved does not everybody always, which are both fantastic. And great books, Tustin, my husband, he's like, I can't stand this. But I think it's like my brain. And I think you're wired like me this way. Like, we're all over the place all the time. And yes, it's very linear. So he's just like, I can't follow what is going on here right now. But I bought the the kids book, because there's a kid's version of love does Oh, really? Yeah. Self is almost a kid's version, almost. But these are like just shorter versions of the same stories. Yeah. And it's so fun to sit and read those to the kids, because it's just, I don't know, it's hope filled. And it's like, stories about his kids having like, balloon parades in their neighborhood. I don't know. It's, it's so a joy. My freshman year, I went to high school called Hope College. So faith was like around growing up, but it wasn't ever really mine. And my freshman year, I was put into a leadership class with a bunch of juniors and seniors. And we were assigned to do a basic good service project. And I was with two Junior girls and a senior to junior women and a senior senior woman. And we were we were assigned to put together this project. And so that here's me as a freshman, my first class, like on college campus, and this is what I'm paired with. So there was a girl who had committed suicide and hopes campus the year before. And so we wanted to do, like they all knew her pretty well. And they want to do something kind of to honor her life. And so we actually had Bob come speak on Hope's campus. And so we got to, like, pick him up from the airport, got to spend time with him. And that sort of month long, two month long process was kind of where I came to faith. And like it was one of those for the first time, I started to own it as my own. And that's so I've spent a good amount of time with Baba, he's, he's a special man. And so there, I can attest a lot of a lot of my fate to some of the way he lives. And it's, it's good stuff. Yeah. I think about some of the people. And I think this is where like, not from an ego space, but where we really get to say, you know, what, allowing ourselves to be used as important. When I look at some of the people who have impacted my own journey, I mean, he's one of them, as well. And I actually came across him through Andy Stanley, who has been like, my go to for a lot of years, because of the way he breaks down the Bible into really a focus on how's it going to make your life better, and giving things context, cultural context. And just like making it simple, giving it handles, right. So people like those two, and they're, I mean, there have been a number of other people, but in terms of like popular culture, that have been so transformational for me, I'm so grateful that they showed up. And they were available. And they were willing to do the things like write the books or create podcasts or, you know, do things that maybe weren't totally mainstream when they started right. Like there weren't a lot of churches doing online podcasting 678 years ago, and NorthPoint has been doing it for like ever. So there's, I guess we just never know how us choosing to say yes, and choosing to live and stay on the path regardless of whether we're seeing the transformations personally or not. We don't know how far that can reach. And it's also when you whether pray for it, ask for it or just kind of shows up to say yes how it oftentimes comes in the form of people and that's definitely one thing that Bob kind of emphasizes is like we're kind of waiting for this ah, hot strike me down with lightning. Now let's get started moment where? I think so oftentimes, it shows up in the form of people that either whether it's are just seeking somebody, whether it's people that have a story to tell whether it's people that have a moment to share, I mean, whatever it may be, and whether it's serving us or us serving them, but I just, it's when you show up and you say, Yes, I have found it to be true more often than not, it's usually people that kind of are the way that that at least in my life, that's why it shows up. There's just the hands and feet thing that comes up there, right? Of Yeah, ultimately, I think what makes faith and what makes our faith attractive is how it's about love. And it's about grace. And it's, you know, the freedom that exists in it. And without, you know, us, sharing without us and being that without us being examples of that without us showing up for people like how are they going to have a sense of what that's actually like? Because I'm not like someone who's like, oh, let's sit down and read my Bible. Like, I haven't been able to actually read it until the last year, year and a half and get anything out of it. No, gosh. Yeah. And that's I mean, to the to the original, I don't have a perfectly figured out, but a hunch that I have is the whole first miracle that Jesus, you know, comes to and publicly shows is creating wine, right is at a wedding where people are joyful and laughing. And all of a sudden, they're like, wait a minute, what? And I mean, there's so many different times where you look at Jesus and what he did, the moments that he appears, what's quoted in Scripture is literally just like him being with anybody, right? And it's, and I think so many times kind of in the hero syndrome that I have, or kind of what we related to about where it's about me, it's like, I think about, okay, I want to go show myself as a Jesus loving man, and a God fearing guy. In the moments that I want to show, whether that's on stage, whether it's when I'm prepped, whether it's in a business circumstance, whether it's when it's like, man, somebody is hurting, and I have the right things to say, Sure, there's moments of Jesus preaching, right? Sure. There's moments of that. But like, so many of the impactful stories are him coming beside somebody and being with them. I mean, you think about the, the woman that was about to be stoned, right? I mean, like, he just sat there with her. Right? He said, one thing, two things, and then you sat there with her like, and so, so many times, I find myself trying to be this, like, in probably good heart, but also very selfish heart of like, I want to be similar to God. But I want to honor God in that right, I want to I want to come across as here's the moment that I'm the hero, but it's all it's all for you guys. And it's it's not right, and when you do it in that approach, so I could go off a long tangent about that. But you probably don't need that for the next three hours. You know, let's talk about purpose a little bit. Because we started there like that, but this whole purpose statement conversation, what has been the, like some of the pivotal moments or some of the big shifts for you, and getting clarity on what you're here for? Well, let me start with what I think my purpose is. And what I have, time and time again, been reminded of, I think my purpose here is to help push people one degree closer to where they want to go. And that's one piece of kind of what I think leadership is. But I think most importantly, like, I have learned, both through starting a company at a pretty early age to what wedges today and kind of where we're going like, I kind of have a little bit of an extreme lifestyle, right, and just all over the place traveling like really, really cool. And I think, like, it's so fun to come into people's life and be able to say, come into people's life and be able to hear what they're trying to do and be able to push them a little bit closer, right? Whether that's a business idea, whether that's a relationship, whether that's getting out, like whatever it may be. And so when when I when I stop and reflect and some of the moments that I felt like joy or when I felt like abundance was not when it was about me on a big business deal, but when it was about me with somebody who I helped close a big business deal, or when when it was like those are the things that are the most fun for me and some of its faith based and some of its just like life here on Earth, right? And so, I don't know when I when I've kind of reflected on that I just have found so much joy and fulfillment about kind of helping wherever people come to me and say I have this idea. I have this thought I have this person or whatever and say, Alright, let's go figure out how to do it. Like I have no idea how we're going to do it. But let's let's just try and let's show up, throw out 10 ideas and let's see what which one sticks to get get you closer to that so it doesn't really answer your question, but I think the idea behind it is like that is whatever that shapes out to be, I think That's what I feel like is very purpose driven what what life is living for? I guess we'll start there. What? I want to go with this. When did you get in really help superhero path? When did you get some of that clarity? Like what led to you getting a sense of here's what I think that I'm here for. I don't know if there was a striking moment. But I have repeatedly probably hundreds of times had people tell me a 20 to 30 minute conversation to say I've never had a conversation like that, mainly because I can say a lot of words with a lot of energy really quickly. And so it's like, I think I have the ability to make people feel pretty comfortable pretty quickly. And I'm also pretty trusting pretty quickly. And so I think it's kind of that repetitive, just whether it's God sharing that with me, or whether it's people sharing that with me of like, Man, I love meeting people quickly. So like deep relationships I'm very bad at that's not where I'm skilled, right? I may come in, let's get let's get somewhere. I'm not a small talk, like, let's have a very purpose driven conversation in an hour, 20 minutes, six minutes, whatever it is. And then like, let's go do something about it. And so I think part of the clarity has just come from kind of repetitive, just like conversations and people making introductions who have said, Hey, you stopped Matt, whether it's 20 minutes or 15 minutes, and that, not that I have anything good to offer other than here's 25 ideas and good luck. And I'm not saying that's always helpful, but I think I think that's been that's that's kind of showed itself in a lot of different ways. And that's, I think, part of the reason why business world is a calling to me, because that's like startup ideas, that's, you know, AI investment ideas, whatever it may be. And I think I've seen that quite a bit. So maybe there's a little bit of validation in the world that comes from that too. But I mean, I think one of my favorite, my, one of my favorite ways to spend time with people is very high concentrated periods of time, right. So it's, I will fly across the world to spend a weekend with somebody, but I'm not going to hang out with you every weekend. I wish I was better at that. I'm not great at that. But that's what I don't know, I think that's probably where some of the clarity is come from is just kind of repetitive. Like, it's just kind of who I am. It's kind of my DNA. I think when we get those moments of feedback from people, Hey, you're really good at this, or, Hey, you gave me a lot of clarity here, or hey, you gave me a lot of ideas. And there are some consistency there. There's something to that that's insightful. And what occurred to me as you were saying all of that, my buddy Jason, he talks about how I'm a sparker. Like, I get him started, I'd like throw stuff out. And he's a, like a fan of the flames kind of guy. And yeah, I'm sitting here listening to him, like, oh, you're a sparker like me, right? It's like, we'll get people revved up and started and move in. And then it's like, Okay, what's next? Where's my next project? Where's the next target? Where's the next thing? Because it's like that initial and go. Is that's like my jam. 100%. And it's, I wish I was better at the operational side of things, both literally in business, but also with like, a, we have this idea. Now what do we go do about it? I'm like, I forgot what the idea was. I'm on to the next one, right. And so like, that's like that, and whether that's with people, whether that's with business ideas, whether that's with, you know, whatever. I think to your point, it's like very good at like taking a tangible idea, taking the first step, and then on to the next one. And that's like, one of my biggest challenges right now is like, we're now scaling up a business. And that is not my DNA, right? And that's a whole like, it's, anyways, we can go on three different podcasts. Like, get it move in and then delegate. Right? Like, Kate, somebody take this, we've built the main structure, we've built the framework we've built that we've got the direction, we've got the vision. Now, somebody take this, it's wired differently than me, and go execute. And I think that's so important, because you can sit there and you can say, like, I wish that I was more like this or more like that, or more like whatever. But fundamentally, I mean, God wired us a certain way about saying, it's not gonna change, and I hope it doesn't there's like, then we would negate our superpowers. Because those things are the things that you you know, if you're set up well, you get to do more of which creates more impact because it's you showing up most powerfully in the skill sets and the natural talents and the gifting that you have, and then allowing other people who are not wired for that stuff where like, just give me something that I can work off of and go execute and like build the, you know, supports and all the things off of, and off I go. And, like they need for us to be that first explosion of energy, and then they can take something. So it's all it's like this permission slip, right? Just be us. Let's just be us. Yep. double down on what you're good at. Yeah. Okay, if I never enter another bookkeeping receipt, and, like, they're just very time waster tasks for me, but they still need to happen. And there are things that I think are boring and awful that other people love. And there are things that other people think are boring and awful. And I'm like, Ooh, you know, let's dive in there. So, you know, like, when Dustin talks about the analytical and problem solving, troubleshooting parts of his job, and I'm like, Uh, huh. Excuse me, how do you feel? Right? Because I'm, like, emotional relationship driven over here. So I'm like, okay, yeah, that's, that's good. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. So permission to be us. Like, all right, any last thoughts on this? Like, super random? Chat? Or last one was a super random chat, too. We're good at this. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, I think, in my experience, so for whatever reason, I feel very fortunate to sort of have a little bit of a gauge on what, at least I think my purpose is here. And I have found a lot of that has come from pressure and pressurize situations and taking risks. And sometimes there's a lot of bad risks. And sometimes there's very God, given risks. And I have found that like, a lot of people that I talked to, and I don't mean to, like, categorize, like those that are all knowing versus those that don't know what's going on. But like, I have just found that you can learn a lot more about what you are good at, by sort of taking risks and having those fall on their face or having them succeed. I mean, whatever it looks like. And so I think like, I don't know, for your audience, my experience is like, yes, it's scary. And yeah, you're probably going to fail, and you're probably going to fail more often than not, which sucks to say out loud. But in that process, you start to learn, I am terrible at this. And I'm very good at that. Or I thought I liked this. And now I like that. And I think that's where you start to figure out what purpose is like, look, I fundamentally believe in prayer, right? I want to be careful with the way I say this. But like, I have not discovered my purpose in prayer. I've discovered my purpose and living and sort of doing what I think prayer has asked me, prayer, to me is God's way of saying you need to slow down, right? And that's me pausing and saying, Look, this is actually about you. But my my experience is like God has us on this earth with other people to interact to learn to give him that purpose. And obviously, you hope that purpose is pointed towards him towards him. But I don't know, I guess my only gentle encouragement, not that I have any advice to offer, but it's like, don't be afraid to take the risks. I think in that that's where you start to discover kind of what that purpose is. And obviously, if your goal is to live a purposeful life, I think that's a good start. So yeah, the the curiosity and the paying attention often tell people pay attention to what you really love. Pay attention to what you really hate to do pay attention to situations that fire you up and excite you pay attention to things that really piss you off. Because there's usually some themes there that start to give us some context on what purpose might look like. And to be able to frame it into a bit of those, those buckets were talking about earlier of here's your contribution, here's the transformation. Here's the outflowing impact, that's usually bigger picture. And what's been interesting and working with people through that journey is it's so hinged into who we are, at our core, and that gives context to or like parameters around purpose. And then we take our lived experiences and our context and all of that and we start to filter it all together. And it's like, oh, this and then we have this kind of roadmap for alright, what what's aligned with this, what's not aligned with this, what stays what goes what gets what amount of energy because I know where I have more context on the path is somewhere in this, you know, general vicinity, like bumper guards at the bowling alley, the path might be some really skinny line down the middle, but you at least have somewhere to start to narrow down from, you know what lane you're playing, and then I find it's easier or at least it's been easier for me. And I know like, God speaks differently to everybody. Like, I have friends who are like, Yeah, I audibly hear them. I'm like, cool, you know, right? Yep. And I'm like, I connect through, you know, music sometimes journaling, like occasionally I'll just be writing something and it just, you know, shows up. But I find that when we have some of that context on it, here's my contribution. And my, you know, my talents, my natural skills and abilities, and all of that funnels into that contribution piece. And here's what the transformation looks like, which oftentimes to experiences and things that you've had, where you look at, like, yeah, this person or this environment, or the circumstance, or whatever really shifted, and this was what it looked like. And that totally filled me up. We could start to pull context from life there. And then it's almost as if it's easier for God to cut through the noise because we've eliminated a whole bunch of the noise of putting these bumper guards at play, like we've narrowed our focus enough that there's maybe room yeah, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me.Juli Wenger:
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