We're welcoming Jason Davis back to the podcast to talk not only ego but also love, joy, strength... and all things kindness and fierceness. Cause running a business is no joke! Join me for this joyful conversation with author Jason Davis, a man of many talents!
Jason helps Christian business owners fortify all their tomorrows, so they can live in the purpose God has called them to.
Jason is a husband, author, speaker, teacher, encourager, and Stewardship Coach. By the leading of the Holy Spirit, he founded Jericho Force Enterprises in Fall 2017. Jericho Force helps business owners grow so they can reach their full potential in 3 primary areas: business growth, personal growth, and spiritual growth.
Jason has helped lead people out of over $310,000 of debt and set aside upwards of $100,000 in savings. His impact extends to the organizational level, having trained over 1000 individuals (and counting) on the concepts of leadership development and teamwork.
Jason is a John Maxwell Certified Trainer and Coach, a DISCflex Certified Coach, a graduate of Dave Ramsey’s Financial Coach Master Training, and a Kanban Management Professional.
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You're on this earth for a purpose. You want to live a life that matters. So let's get through the fear and the overwhelm and all the crap that gets in the way of you living the life of fear. This is the becoming ourselves podcast where we are fired up about you getting clear on who you are, what you're called to, and how to get there. Because the world is waiting for you to show up and own your power. I'm your host, Juli Wenger, a coach, a speaker, a Jesus lover in Enneagram, two, and a tree shaker. Let's dive into what's keeping you stuck. Because on the other side, is a life that's fired up the film. We're back with Jason Davis today. And we had promised y'all a circle back because when Jason and I start talking, we don't stop talking, which is evidence but the last half an hour we spent not recording a podcast. But we're gonna talk about, I think more of the fruits of the Spirit today because we left that like hanging midway. And before we jump into that, I wanted to make sure that we catch this thought train that Jason and I were just on. I don't even know how to transition into this. Can you just like pick up your thought where you were? Put on your podcast host hat and just take it?Unknown:
Absolutely. Folks, you all know that I love Julie, I love this woman that we have so much fun together, and it's just holy fire that takes place. She's my sister in Christ. So we were talking about we're just talking about because Christ is in us, when things like anxiety and depression. And I'm not talking about you know, I know there's people out there, I'm not talking about being clinically declared depressed or anxiety or things like that. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when we have bouts of it, or when we fall into those things. Because Christ lives in us. We don't have to sit in it. We have a place to put it, we have a place to give it Jesus said cast Mike cast your cares upon me. His yoke is easy, His burden is light. And he tells us we don't have to have anxiety or worry about anything. So we can cast or place or put our cares on Him and not sit in things like depression. It's very real, that in a fleeting moment, as a result of trauma or something that we can find ourselves depressed emotionally, but spiritually, because we're in Christ. And Christ is our healer, not just physically, but also spiritually, mentally and emotionally, that we can give it to him. And because Christ is in us, we have the fruit of the Spirit. The fruit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. So we have access to not be able to spiral, we can get it back to a medium, not because of what we do, but because of God in us. He's the one who centers us and brings peace to our soul. So that was a little bit of the train of thought there, Julie.Juli Wenger:
Okay, I put myself back together for myself. Okay, so here's what's really cool about where we're going to go today is, last couple of last episode that we did, we had covered in the first fruits like first section of fruits of the Spirit, love and joy and peace, peace and patience. And I think we touched on kindness. So circling back this morning listening to it, we mostly touched there. So that leaves us with goodness and faithfulness and gentleness and self control. And here's what strikes me. And I just want to try and tie this back so that I can bring everyone up to speed with our offline conversation, is we were talking about how there is a different season that is upon us right now. And the season that upon is upon us right now is one of this search for fulfillment. And I'm seeing this show up in all my conversations and seeing this show up with clients and seeing the show up with just general people I'd like chat with on Instagram, like everywhere, because people are like, there's gotta be more to life than what I'm experiencing. There has to be more fulfillment. And what struck me recently as I was reading my Bible was this concept that following the path that God has set in front of you is actually what causes fulfillment. And it is a causal relationship, it is not a correlation, it is a this then that you follow, that equals fulfillment, that equals, I fill you with everything that you need, I make sure all your needs are met, I make sure that you have joy and peace and patience. And all of you know, like, it just was full stop moment for me, like pull over the car. Because, like, oh, that that's what was missing. That's what was missing in my journey of building this success for myself. And we talked about this on your podcast at the expense of me taking care of everybody else. And losing myself in the process. So many came back to who he says I am. And I came back to the path he has for me, there was so much fulfillment there. And we're looking at this whole generation with, especially like post millennials, statistically, I've been reading a little bit about this, how there's such a desire for a long term career, but fulfillment, an impact and knowing what they're doing matters. And here's what really strikes me, and then I'm going to just back off and let you talk. So I know this is triggering some things. Faithfulness. God's faithfulness shows up so strongly here for me with I am creating a path for you. I have created a path for you. Like, Heck, I've built multiple paths for you. Because I know you're stubborn and strong willed. And sometimes you say no, and I got to get you back the other way. Because I was shooting Satan for yes, the first time. I'm just speaking for myself here. But there is this faithfulness of it exists. And when we show up, and we say yes, that the fulfillment is there. And it's like, you just reach out your hand and claim it. Just take it.Unknown:
That's good stuff. That's good. Faithfulness. So when you talk about faithfulness, well, let me jump back real quick with the goodness part because sometimes we hear that and that sounds pretty poetic. Julie knows we talk offline about this. There are certain scriptures that when you read them, it seems like something that goes up on your refrigerator, or it goes up on your wall. And that's all we do with it. It's like, oh, you know, I'm a mom and dad news is, you know, it's cool. It goes up on my wall. And it's so much deeper than that. So the so goodness, there angulate Galatians. Chapter Five is where you find the fruit of the Spirit. Galatians 522. Goodness is talking about uprightness, being upright, you know, you can, you can have a crooked walk, or you can have upright walk, well, walking and goodness, you can't do that on your own. When you receive Jesus Christ, as your Lord and Savior. That's salvation. You know, John 316, For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. And Romans 10 Nine, if you confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, then you will be saved. So you have this journey of on fulfillment that culminates into the event of belief and confession and that salvation, and you're saved, you're in the family of God, you get adopted, you go from being an orphan, to being a son or daughter in Christ. And then though, kind of like a tree, right? The seed is planted, and it's there. Now we've got to water that thing, and we've got to grow. So it's not just the check mark, where to grow and mature and that's the next process. So you have the journey leading to an event, and then you have an event, leading to another process. And that's the sanctification process. That's a $10 word, because I know people oh my god, Jason, Julie, thank you, Ben set you've been set apart. That's literally all it means. You've been set apart. And part of being set apart is Jesus maturing you because you've been set apart. Now. It's time to grow. It's time to go. It's time to grow that and that's sanctification. And so when we're talking about the fruit of the Spirit, so again, when you see Jesus, that's something that happens inside Julie so people can't see that. They can't see that decision, that confession in that belief, but you know, if they can see Julie they can see love, joy, peace. patience, kindness, goodness, like, wow, they don't do what the culture does. They don't do what everybody else says they don't run their business. They don't do their customer service. They don't sell, they don't run their programs. They don't coach they don't console, like the culture does. They do it with integrity. Because because of the decision that we've made, that uprightness is the outward representation of what's happened on the inside. So we can walk in the goodness of God, and then we get to faithfulness, which is had the conviction that we have to live for God, the trustworthiness, being faithful all throughout Scripture, Julie, you will find men and women's story about their ability to be faithful to the thing God has called them to be or not. Let's translate that to real life terms. How faithful? Are you with sticking to that course? How faithful? Are you to stick into that program? How faithful are you? To sticking to the process of writing your book? How faithful are you to sticking to the plan? Or will you allow things to distract you, for you to get unfocused for you to allow emotions and the swing the ebbs and flows of the day to take you off track. And again, because you now have the Spirit of God in you, the outward representation, you can be faithful number one, to the things God has called you to do. But then number two, in your day to day, Julie, and that's exciting. Because as a kingdom business owner, as a person of faith, you can show up and I am using your language now, Julia. So I love talking to Julie. Now you can show up different from the way other people show up and it looks different. And people begin to ask questions. Julie, how are you able to show up like that? How are you able to be faithful? You got children and a husband? And how? Because of what's going on? On the inside? Yeah, soJuli Wenger:
I have so many No. Okay, first off, I want to just address what for me has always been the elephant in the room, which is that when we're throwing out they're like love and joy and peace and patience and kindness and goodness, and gentleness and faithfulness, and I gotta order there, but whatever, and self control and we talk about what all of those things mean, there's this narrative in the world, right? Of, you're not supposed to want that, that's gonna make you weird, that's going to make you not accepted, that's going to mean you don't fit in, that's going to mean that's going to mean that's gonna mean. And all of that I just want to acknowledge is a self protective, and be kind of a load of BS. Because if you actually think about how you want to live life, and how you want people to treat you, and how you want to be treated, and how you want to feel, are there any of us that actually don't want more love, or more joy, or more peace or more patients in our life, that don't want to be able to show up in integrity, which is what you talk about standing up right with goodness, that's what strikes me as being in integrity. And I'm also going to acknowledge that we are human. So as Christians or as Jesus followers, we will fail on this sometimes. And that's part of the challenge and culture as people look at the lack of integrity, that has existed within Christianity and formal religion. And they're like, I don't want no part of that. Because that's not these fruits of the Spirit. That's not what I'm seeing. So there's a resist ability that exists. But when I look at so here's what's interesting when you talk about faithfulness, and faithfulness to write the book, for example, because I'm in the middle of that right now. What's come up for me with the book actually, this has been really interesting is when we talked about the path. And there is this path that God has put in front of you are human default, is to try to go on our own path. It's to try to maintain control. So we put up roadblocks we build Our own roadblocks and we build our own off ramps. And then we get off the path. Because I know better than the Creator of the universe, because my plan is better because I need to control everything. Because that's just how I've always done it. And that's how the world tells me, I should do it. And then we're off on our own path. And it's bumpy. And it's hilly, and there's cliffs in it, and it kind of sucks. And we're like, what, like, why aren't you showing up for me right now? God, why is this so difficult? It's not because you're like, you're not on the right path. So we've got to get back over to where does he call us to? And so this concept of roadblocks has been really, really present. As I'm looking at my own story, and as I'm walking through, who does he say you are? And what are you here for? What are you called to? What are you stepping into in this season. And the other thing about the path that's important is that it's not about you. So we talked about before, it'll get you to circle back here in a minute, but the he versus the me. And ultimately, it's like he is for we. And so there's this focus of whatever you're called to what I'm called to what Jason is called to, it's not about us. It's about all of the people that he has placed along these specific paths, people that are assigned to us, that if we don't stay on our own path will not get us, which sounds like a me thing, except that there is this flow through. Right, like the Bible also says, and I wish I could remember where this was, and maybe you'll think of x, that's how your brain works in that mind, but that He gives us love, and he fills us with love. And then we can go give that to other people. So it's not even like my own storehouse of love and energy that I'm showing up for people. If it's not my own wisdom, it's not my anything. It's like he's placing what I need to be able to give from him to the people on the path. And I just get to be a conduit. But you know, what happens when I operate in obedience, and I stay on my path, and I stay faithful to what I'm called to fulfillment there, we've circled back, okay. This is how my brain works. But let's talk about he and me. How about that?Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. And you hit the nail on the head, Julie, the the ego, oh, my God, we talked so much about, oh, my God, what's going on in the media, or I don't like this person, or I don't like this idea, or I don't like this symbolism. But a lot of this stuff comes back to the guy or gal in the mirror. Quite frankly, it's the ego. That is the enemy. He is bold statement, Julie, I'm going to go out on a limb and say ego has taken more people out. It is the ultimate weapon of destruction is the ego. Because it comes from the inside, you know, yeah, I'm not taking anything away from the data around, you know how people die, whether that's sickness, disease, or war, or the different crimes that are committed. Those are external things. But those things were motivated by what went on, on the inside. And so the ego is very, very dangerous, and what happens when we receive Christ because we become new. So now, the ego comes under the submission of Christ. So we can walk out the fruit of the Spirit. And what's interesting about Galatians chapter five is the exact opposite of the fruit of the Spirit is the works of the flesh. And if you read through the works of the flesh, I'll read a few of them here. So again, further spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. A little bit further up in the chapter, you have the works of the flesh, and the apostle Paul, he is the author of the book of Galatians. He starts off the chapter saying, walk in the Spirit, and you will not gratify or satisfy the desires of the flesh. The desires of the flesh are against the spirit. They're literally they're there. I love how I've heard someone say it before, they're diametrically opposed. Now, Julie, I know you're a big fan of the Enneagram and we started getting into things like this There's certain personality types that are diametrically opposed and it's gonna take some some good soul work for those people to like they just naturally have I'm gonna say an opportunity Julie have some opportunities. And so it's the same with the spirit and the flesh they're diametrically opposed. So what is the opposite of those nine as you get into some some really you know, interesting things you know, sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies and things like these. This is not Jason speaking, this is the apostle Paul, those things and you really stepped through all those we don't we don't do that today. But you know what's at the heart of those with the heart of the flesh, the ego, the ego wants the bout of it's like the little tantrum two year old, I just want to do what I want to do. Whenever I want to do it. However, I want to do it. And I and that's why you're getting me fired up, Julie, because when it's all about you, you know what it's not if it's about you, then that means it's not about others. It's not. And it's dangerous, cuz sometimes because your mindset, things are so much about you that you you begin to lose sight of, Wow, the people around me are looking at me different and changing and people are stepping away because they've recognized Oh, well, he or she is only about themselves eat. It's funny how other people can smell it sometimes even before you. And that's kind of a harsh reality that some of us wake up to Don't worry, the grace of God is available. But sometimes some of us are hard headed and stubborn. But the grace of God is there. So the he so if it's not about me, then who is it about? It is about the Wii, but I can't get to the Wii unless I submit to he who I don't even know if I can say that again. If you if it's not about me, then who is it about? It's about he and it's about Wii, but I can't get to the Wii, unless I submit to he and he being God, the Wii being the people that he's called you to, to carry out your purpose. And here's the thing, Julie, it's so powerful. And the Scripture, one of the scriptures, I think you might have been referring to First John 419, we love or we're able to love because he loved us first. So the way you get there. And it's ironic, Julie, isn't it? The first fruit of the spirit with the Oh, that's right, the first ray of the Spirit is love, oh my god, before we talked about this, likeJuli Wenger:
flow chart nature, write up this and then that opens you up to the next one, and then that opens you up to the next one. So it's kind of a this, then that, then that then that. And that's I think, helpful as a context, not that it's maybe 100% accurate or whatever, but just to look at when I have love, it's easier to have joy. And when I have joy, it's easier to have peace, when I have peace, it's easier to be patient. And when I'm patient, it's easier to be kind, right and it flows through and then I can be in integrity with me and with him and exhibit goodness. And when I'm in integrity with myself, and when I'm in integrity with him and who he says I am, then it's easier to be faithful. And then I can be gentle because I'm not operating from this place of judgment. And so much focus on these ego narratives. But instead I can be for other people. The gentleness is like where compassion and empathy comes out. And ultimately, like happen that often self controlled. And it just it makes sense the way that it flows, and the order is important. And it actually brings up for me too, that the order is important. Also, when we're looking at the who are weepy. So here's I want to jump back with ego for a minute, because this is really interesting that you went into ego as the enemy. I was reading story brand A while ago, and it tells you to go through this process of defining a villain. And guess what the villainous ego. So I'm writing this whole book that has this context around ego and how ego takes us out. And what's interesting about it is that our work and our becoming ourselves are becoming more more of who he says we are, are coming back to him and to our most powerful integrity filled, love filled, joy filled, peaceful look, filter through that whole list because that's ultimately what it looks like us coming back to our most powerful and aligned selves is getting ego to hold less power over us. And here's what like, just linking in psychology here because this has been an interesting mental battle for me of do I know enough about this? Do I understand this enough, do I because there's all sorts of imposter syndrome that shows up when you're writing a book, but or I'm looking at ego and I'm going, okay, so if it's like my little inner four year old, two year old, I mean, I have a four year old and it's totally like that, like he is fiery, and he wants his own way. But I look at, you know, ego being formed as a way for us to try to get our needs met. Before we have context on the world, because we're all broken, because we can't give and receive love perfectly. Because I'm not a perfect Mum, I don't meet all my kids needs perfectly. So they develop these attachments to protective patterns and to doubling down on behaviors that when they grow up, probably won't serve them. Well, you and I have talked a lot about my recovering from being a boundary list person, of just give give give, give doo doo doo doo, yes, yes, yes, yes. Saying yes to things I shouldn't and saying no to things that I want to do. Right. And it was the ego that was driving all of that. And fundamentally, it was the ego that created this gap between who I am and who I thought that I was, and what I needed and what I thought that I needed. And until I did the work of untangling that, and coming back to Yeah, but who does God say I am. There was not space. For me to get to a point of fulfillment. There wasn't space for me to have the clarity that I needed to be able to live the life and get on the path that he has for me. And I mean, Ego is the Enemy. And this is just what I want to highlight. And I was writing about this last night. So it's funny that it's coming up. I often look at ego and the ego battle, which is literally what I call it. Welcome to the ego battle, okay, is it's not punches. It's hugs. It's a very, and actually, as I'm thinking about it right now, like this is hilarious. It's a very fruits of the Spirit approach to how do I take my ego, because ultimately, it is a part of us. And if I'm just like, I'm just going to shove it off all the time, I'm going to give it power, because I'm giving so much energy to trying to burry it and trying to avoid it and trying to bypass it and trying to just like, it doesn't exist. Well, it does exist. It's a psychological piece of us. But if I bring it in, and I wrap it up in a big hug, and I'm like, Hey, little four year old, little boy, right? Like I see you. I know you're trying to meet some need. And I'm trying to keep me safe from some perceived loss or danger or rejection or shame or something, I see you. And I can be grateful for that. Because I have this perspective of who I actually am that I can come back to. And that resets my whole system, when I remind myself, Hey, this is who I am in Him. And then I can really zoom out, get curious about what are the stories? What are the things that I still have to deal with that exist in that ego space, that are continuing to get in the way of me doing the work that I'm here to do and of me finding more fulfillment? Like I don't want to skip over that piece. Because there's so much as like, it's about other people. It's about other people. It's about other people and our listeners, like might be sitting there going. But what about me which Okay, a hello egos. We see you. We don't judge you but we see you right? Because that's an ego play. And there is something for you. There's so much more for you on the other side of that journey and really embracing Okay, what does being more love look like? And not just to other people, but we start with us. Like with all of this stuff, all of these fruits of the Spirit. What happens if we develop them and we point them at ourselves?Unknown:
That's getting back to the source, right? And that's usually when you talk about sitting with things. That's why when we do sit with things we have to sit with the right posture That is are we going to allow? And I do emphasis on the word allow? Are we going to allow the Lord to do his work? Are we going to try to then when you're talking about paths? Are we going to try to fix this on our own? And again, it's right back at that ego because the ego trying to get in that protective mode, I don't want to look weak, and I don't want to be vulnerable, and I don't want to feel a certain way. Well, again, I don't I don't I don't I don't, I can't, I won't. I can't all it's all knee. But when you allow the Lord to do it, because you're gonna want to two things are gonna play out the Paul said in Galatians, chapter five, he said it at the beginning, paid the flesh. Now I know Bible uses different verbiage, but you can take things apart and line up the concepts. So there's a battle going on. So ego is there. But then what's happening, there is a battle between the flesh and the spirit. And whoever you feed more think about food. I don't I don't know why Julius has taken away back, there's been no age. But I don't know if you remember the Little Shop of Horrors, see more, feed me see more, feed me, somebody is going to get fed, somebody's got to eat, and somebody is going to get fed more. So the question is, are we going to feed the spirit more and allow our dependency on God to shine through so that we can grow more deeply with him? Those members who got the seed, the tree is growing? Are we going to let those roots really grow all the way down deep in the soil? Are we going to feed the other tree? The flesh, which is all you know, the egos over there, I want to do what I want to do you know that the flesh is the tag team. But yeah, ego. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Let's do the dang thing. Let's go out on the town. Let's do it all. That's what the flesh wants to do. So you got to feed the spirit. And Joey reminded me of another scripture, ironically, book of Galatians. Perhaps you all should read Galatians. And because as a business owner, a lot of this internal stuff, impacts how you treat, oh my god and business people, whether you have a product or a service, so Galatians chapter two, verse 20. I have been crucified with Christ. Now remember what Jesus did for you and me. He died on the cross. crucifixion was a brutal death that the Romans used to carry out. So this isn't like some strange, crazy metaphor. Jesus actually died on a cross at Calvary for you and me. He was beaten, he was bruised. The prophet Isaiah says this way he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him and by his stripes, we are healed. That's the way the prophet Isaiah says it. So I have been crucified with crisis back to Galatians. I was time to travel a little bit, Julie and I tend to do that. We time travel back to the future. We time traveled through Isaiah now back to Galatians. I've been crucified with Christ that is, in him I have shared in his crucifixion, my old nature, before Jesus, that old sinful nature died, just like his body die. So then when Jesus rose again, this is what we talk about around Easter time Resurrection Sunday, we celebrate, it is no longer so who got up, Jesus died and rose again. So that old person died the old sinful nature, well, who got up with Jesus, it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me, the life I now live in the body. I live by faith by adhering to relying on and completely trusting in the Son of God who is Jesus, who guess what Julie, loved me and gave himself up. For me. That's how beautiful, awesome encouraging, inspiring Galatians chapter two is, and what we can take away this comes back it's perfectly back to the ego. When you feed the spirit. That part of the tree grows the love the joy so then when you're again when you're conducting and doing business, or when life you know hits you like an anvil upside the head, you can recover From it, because your heavenly Father, your dad, your heaven, Dad, I know we have dads on Earth, but your heaven dead. Hey, daughter, Hey, son, you don't got to sit with that. Give it to me. Cash your cares upon me. You're okay. I love you. Let's get back up. It's kind of like on the battlefield Julie, you know, the little kid they skin their knees. And then the coach sits down, son. It's gonna be okay in there realize it's so funny even in little kids. The ego but everybody saw me whenever it No, you skinned your knee. That's very real. It's okay, though. It's okay. So when you get told you're okay. Because usually when you know that your loved you can take courage. And so ego again. I don't have to rely on me. Because let's face it, Julie, that's hard. It gets tiring. It's tough. Yeah, it weighs on you. Oh, I like it's great. Oh, yeah, me, I'm doing everything right. It's all about me. I'm doing me I want to do this. Yeah. And then I get tired. And Jesus is saying, hey, all of that. Give it to me. Give it to me. And then you do and you go. Oh my god. I don't know why I feel brand new. I don't know I didn't do that before. So when those things happen when life hits you like a ton of bricks, you have somewhere to place it. Give it to your dad. So now you can go boldly into that speaking engagement, you can go boldly into that coaching session, you can go boldly into that podcast interview, you can go boldly into that process of writing the book, because you're feeding the spirit and more of the spirit ofJuli Wenger:
the lesson we're gonna hit pause here because when Jason and I get in a Zoom Room, we have this tendency to talk a lot and get all kinds of fired up. So make sure you hit subscribe because you don't want to miss the episode next week where we're jumping into talking about things like fear and choice and how understanding who it was we are changes and shift the dynamics of everything on our journey. Until next time, know that you are here on purpose with purpose and for purpose. You were always enough and you were deeply loved.