Becoming Ourselves - The Podcast

Fortify with Jason Davis (Episode 1)

July 21, 2021 Juli Wenger Season 1 Episode 52
Becoming Ourselves - The Podcast
Fortify with Jason Davis (Episode 1)
Show Notes Transcript

We're talking about PILLARS! Love, joy, strength... and all things kindness and fierceness. Cause running a business is no joke! Join me for this joyful conversation with author Jason Davis, a man of many talents!
Bio:
Jason helps Christian business owners fortify all their tomorrows, so they can live in the purpose God has called them to.

Jason is a husband, author, speaker, teacher, encourager, and Stewardship Coach. By the leading of the Holy Spirit, he founded Jericho Force Enterprises in Fall 2017. Jericho Force helps business owners grow so they can reach their full potential in 3 primary areas: business growth, personal growth, and spiritual growth.

Jason has helped lead people out of over $310,000 of debt and set aside upwards of $100,000 in savings. His impact extends to the organizational level, having trained over 1000 individuals (and counting) on the concepts of leadership development and teamwork.

Jason is a John Maxwell Certified Trainer and Coach, a DISCflex Certified Coach, a graduate of Dave Ramsey’s Financial Coach Master Training, and a Kanban Management Professional.


MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Book - Fortify: Being Rooted in God's Plan for Work and Business
Clubhouse - @jaynayday
Insta - @jason.n.davis
Website - https://www.jerichoforce.com

CONNECT WITH ME
Instagram | Clubhouse | Facebook: @juliwenger
https://www.juliwenger.com/

Juli Wenger:

Welcome to the becoming ourselves podcast where we believe that you were created on purpose with purpose and for a purpose. I'm Juli Wenger, an empowerment and identity coach and enneagram two committed to helping you step out of overwhelm perfectionism and self sabotage, listening to learn how to take back your power, uncover the stories and patterns that keep you small, and lean in to living your most powerful, purposeful and passionate life. Let's dive in. So this week, I am so stoked because Jason's on the podcast with me, we have been planning this for like months, I think it's been months. So like many people I've met over the last year I met Jason and clubhouse because that's where we meet people when we're all hooked up. But he runs this really cool room called fortify in business, which is named after his book, fortify. And it has been such a great space for me. And it's been building me and I wanted to share some of his genius and God connection. And now talking about God's plan for business. And I honestly have no idea what we're going to talk about. We were chatting about that before we hit record, but we're just going to have a chat and talk about things and see where it goes. Buckle up. Why don't we start here? Let's give people like a real quick snapshot of who's Jason like, tell us three interesting random things about you.

Unknown:

Oh, random things. It's gonna be really funny, Julie, because I wrote a book, obviously about author but back in college, I used to write poetry. And believe it or not, those who know me, it's like, oh, wait, wait, wait a minute. So I played college football, played division one college football. And so you got this like big football player, dude. And he writes poetry. So that's random.

Juli Wenger:

Nailed it.

Unknown:

What else is random? I don't think is random. I think it's because again, playing off that makeup. It's like, Okay, he's athlete was an effort Trinity. In college. I'm a big nerd. Honestly. I love tech. I love Marvel, DC, all and I'm not just talking about like surface level stuff I'm talking about. I can go trivial level.

Juli Wenger:

So like, let's just give people some context on this. So Jason, for all y'all enneagram fans is a five. So part of what always makes me giggle about our conversations is you can pull out the most random facts and detailed things. And I'm like, how do you do that? Except they know how, because that's how you're wired. So I just don't have that ability. I like storm. I want it to be storm when I grew up from the x men. So that's about as far as my like, you know, superhero stuff goes, I don't know all the details and all that, like my husband does, right? He's like, Oh, well, then then this happened in this story. Sure. I just like that she could control the weather. So one more interesting fact

Unknown:

number three, what's a good third one? A good third one is, believe it or not growing up and I've kind of started to get back into it. Big gamer. I have a Nintendo Switch. Yes, I do. My wife even plays it with me sometimes. You know, here. Here's the key guys. You get a game like Mario Kart. That's what the ladies like, get a simple game, and I only let me let me stop right there. Because I know some ladies are like, what? No,

Juli Wenger:

no, can you just say simple? Yeah,

Unknown:

that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is because the ladies, they wanted to be interesting. Is it boring? Mario Kart is not boring. So when I say simple, ladies, what I'm really saying is it keeps the attention because some of the games that I play my wife just rolls her eyes like there's no way I'm playing that and it's because of the boring on interesting factor. So that's what I mean. I can almost feel the the the spears and the needles.

Juli Wenger:

Like we're gonna get dmws so that's what I mean by by simple. I mean isn't enneagram to I do love me some Mario Kart. Yeah, I throw that out there and Guitar Hero. That was fun for a while. Okay, so let's jump into something a little more down our usual track. One of the things I'd written down when we talked about doing the podcast, was chatting a little bit about identity. Even like when we hopped on this morning, we're talking about this, these pillars like fruits of the Spirit, you start with number one, and then they're this progression. I think that might be an interesting place for us to start is looking at, you know, how do we work our way through some of those pillars? And personally, I find it really interesting because when I've been doing the identity work with people and developing these, call them I am statements Right, what are the things that define our essence. And when we're talking from a faith perspective, which isn't all the time in my work, but it shows up quite regularly, who am I that reflects my Creator. So will latch on to things like for example, mine or I am love, joy, strength, light and grace. And I have a feeling I might like reorder them, after we have this conversation, we'll see what happens. But we were talking about how like, love is the first thing and people kind of like skip over these. So I'm just gonna let you speak to that. As she grabs, I'm gonna just drink my coffee, and unmute myself and let Jason tirade higher.

Unknown:

I would say, with love, and I'm going to talk down multiple tracks like the spiritual track and then practical as well in Scripture. You know, Jesus tells us to love our neighbor as ourself. Well, it's difficult to love your neighbor when you don't love yourself. I've heard it said and have experienced that before hurt people, hurt people, those who have been loved well love others. Well, I see that daily, literally. So when somebody is dealing with something, and may not actually be you, it may be their inability to ascertain or deal with what they're actually working through. So someone else's problem might be what's causing them to treat you in a disrespectful manner. It may not be something that you said or did to them, it might be something that they're working through. And that's that loved or the person might be dealing with, you know, depression, anxiety, they might have had abuse in the past, they you know, something that sat with them for a while that their parents said they might have been bullied. There's all these things. And they come out in our communication and our behavior. The Bible talks about that of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. So people just boom off the cuff, they say something. And it might have been because of something that happened 10 years ago, 15 years ago. So the love your neighbor as yourself, it comes out in every aspect of life, you might have people that treat their customers terribly, because they never had a vision, childhood, academic college education or a mentor in business, they don't even know what it looks like to treat somebody the right way. So when that person goes out and starts a product or service, they don't even have the right mentality to treat people, right. They just want I'm supposed to sell, you're supposed to listen to everything I say and buy it and we're done. That's supposed to nurture the relationship and all transaction in a nutshell, transactional treatment is a lack of love really boils down to it. And I think the Greeks get it right. And Julie, a lot of times we hear love and we automatically jump to the romantic thing. Like I could say, Julie, I love you enough folks. Listen, Julie's married woman I'm married because some people here's a growth moment with that the Greeks had and got it right. There are different words for the word love. We have just society has decided that when we hear love, it's like what you love man, you don't even know me? No, see, cuz you're jumping to the romance. That's the arrows. Love then you got the filio or phileo and depending on who you talk to love which is like the Brotherhood sisterhood, love the store. Hey, your store gay love the family. Love. But then there's the god type of love, which is the gap. And that's an unyielding eternal love. So that whole love part, love your neighbor. The reason as you're talking about fruits of the Spirit, it's first and foundational, because if you can't reconcile, at that pillar one, it's going to be very difficult for you to grow to the next level because we have trials and we have battles in our life. Right? Well, if you don't understand how to love yourself, love others and receive love from God. It's going to be difficult to experience things like true joy, true peace, to develop patience, to have a kind heart a kind spirit to be faithful and steadfast and stick to something it's gonna be difficult to do that without that pillar one. So that's why it's so interesting. And the Apostle Paul was just so eloquent and so powerful the way he laid those out. That's why Love your neighbor as yourself. You have to understand what God says about you. I'm able to love because God Love Me first. That's number one. And what is love? God is love. Okay, cool. So then what is love? Love is patient. Love is kind. And I know it's first Corinthians 13. You've heard we

Juli Wenger:

kind of go lulla lulla. That's nice. Like, no, no, this is not an orchestra thing. It's not a cool thing to hang up on the wall flow chart. That's what this is you, right?

Unknown:

It's like, wait, love is patient. Oh, so that means when you know, my wife, and I have a little moment, and I'm a little impatient, it's saying no, actually, I'm asking you to be patient when people aren't patient with you. And it's like, Whoa, I

Juli Wenger:

want to back that up. Like, that's where it's really challenging to be that for other people, if we can't be that for us, right. And I'm just gonna jump in there with looking at this, we never have a conversation where I don't name drop, like, Oh, I remember hearing this thing from Andy Stanley, because this is how we always taught. But looking at pillars and foundations, when we look at the work, the self work the, okay, I want to grow my business, I want to do something, I want to accomplish more, I want to be more I want to do more, I want to impact more. None of that happens. If we haven't done that self work. None of that happens if we haven't leaned into Okay, do I know how to love me? Have I learned how to even like me. And when I look at my own journey, and I look at client journeys, there is this piece there have weakened develop all of the systems. And we can try and build all of the habits and all of the patterns and new stories and new narratives. But if we haven't drilled down to that core piece of how we learned how to love us, all of the rest of this stuff has no foundation. So I really look at the love piece. But Welcome to a to brain. When we drill down to you know, what is foundational, and how do we move through this stuff,

Unknown:

we can't bypass learning to love us. Because we can't give what we don't have, we can't teach what we haven't learned we can't really up level and step into our next level of growth if there's no foundation to build off of. Absolutely. And it made me think about a couple things it right before we went live, you talked about continual choosing. So one thing that I like to say is continuous learning leads to continuous improvement, no improvement doesn't come unless you're constantly learning. And what you did is you nicely coupled in the third piece to that you've got to continually choose to continually learn to continually improve. And that's rent and repeat, and so forth and so on. And that happens in your business growth that happens in your personal growth. And that happens in your spiritual growth, it's all three. So you've got these three levels in parallel. And at times, it can be like traffic, one's like up here and the others. But it's like we got it, we got to constantly we're on this highway. And all three have to we've got to continuously daily choose learn, improve, choose, learn, improve, and that's active. That is not passive. And the reason why love is so critical, is it's hard to grow and set goals and habits and all that that's all well and good. And you should lean into those things. It's going to be difficult because you're going to hit these rough patches, and then you're going to have to decide, well, do I want to continue? And that's the key. And that's why I love the word you use. Julian Are you talking about continuous or continual? Because there's always things pulling at your ability to stay in flow. So you get all these things I want to take you out of the flow

Juli Wenger:

like ego, Yes, right. I'm sitting here listening to that. And it's our ego attachment to our existing way of being and our existing way of thinking. So when we're doing this continual choosing, and this continual learning, and then continual improvement or growth, our egos like, hold up, I don't want to do that, because that's different. And that doesn't give me decisiveness. And that doesn't give me control. That doesn't give me certainty. So let's just put up some blocks, or some overwhelm or some people pleasing patterns or some perfectionism or some distraction or whatever, that'll get in the way that will try and keep you where you are right now. It's not necessarily that, you know, we have to approach all of this from like, okay, you have to be, you know, a Jesus follower or Christian for this stuff to work. What I love that Andy always says is your life will be better. It's not that you have to believe with us and the principles that show up they'll have your life be better, full stop. If we show up with more love and more joy, more peace and more integrity, more self responsibility and all of the we get into more of the fruits of the Spirit. All of that that flows, how much better is your life going to be? So I know not all of our audience is in the same faith space that you and I are. If that's you listening, there is something here for you, regardless of what your faith is, regardless of what it is that you believe, right now,

Unknown:

one thing you're touching on Julie is true in life and in business, his principles transcend circumstance, a lot of times, what allows that ego to get in the way we go, oh, circumstance change, that doesn't apply anymore. And it goes, none of the principles are the perfect thing, which is why you must be a person, a values based principles based person, because it cuts through circumstance, see, the ego wants to go, Well, that's at home. Well, that's at work, well, that's in front of this person, well, that's in front of that person. No, no, no, no principles and subsequently values they hold g accountable principles don't change with the weather principles, it when it's raining, when it's sunny, when it's windy. Principles transcend circumstance. So to your point about regardless of what your faith is, in principle always cuts through. So let's take money. If you spend more than you earn, eventually, it will lead to you losing money and being broke period, whether you have multiple streams of income or whatever, if you overspend, you will run out of money. That is a principle that does not matter what kind of currency you use, that doesn't matter the type of business, you have, that does not matter the type of faith that you have, if you don't learn how to manage, or steward that which is in front of you, it will run out. So that's what I mean, we can allow ego to go Ah, I don't need to worry about that. Because I'm in a different context. No, no, no, no, no,

Juli Wenger:

then we're running blind and the flags. And I've seen this in my business right years ago, and I still in real estate, the flags are there. But if we're not paying attention to them, we're not giving them focus, things can spiral real quick. And then we have a pretty rude awakening. I remember a time where the business grew almost, like doubled in one year, and the market was going down. But our expenses grew with the business. And I'm like, Yay, the business is growing and paying attention to gross, you know, revenue, but not paying attention to what's the outflow? Are we using the funds? Well, are we paying attention? Are we being intentional? No at attention and intention are important, always all over. And before I knew it, I had a half a million dollar business. And I was like not paying myself. Like, how does this happen? Well, we're not paying attention to the signs, you're not paying attention to the flags. Because it's easier, it's more comfortable. And, you know, had I been operating more in line with those principles of, I'm going to pay attention, I'm going to be conscious of how I spend my money, I'm going to make sure that it's in line with what I value. As opposed to just being reactionary or not having any focus given to it, we could have avoided that whole thing. I look back on it. And it totally built me right. It was something that I clearly had a lesson to learn around, so I wouldn't trade it. And just to illustrate the point about things can get out of control pretty quickly if we're not paying attention. It's not like the rules don't apply. They still very much do.

Unknown:

Yeah. As you were saying that really reminded me another Andy Stanley thing. It's funny how he just pops up. He says, pay attention to the tension. Yeah. And when you were talking about how there were signs, there's warning signs, warning signs are tensions. And that's what part of what Andy's talking about. So man, I'm making a lot of money. I'm bringing a lot of money in, but my expenses are growing. Whoo. No, it's okay. No, no, we're bringing in more money. No, you're good. You've got this parallel. They're both doing this.

Juli Wenger:

You have to watch for the justification.

Unknown:

Exactly. So that's it right there. That's what it reminded me. So suggest some practicality. I'm a big fan of Mike mccalla wits and prophet first. So one of the in which you all should definitely read that book that one of the things that talks about when you have accounts and it's the glorified the envelope system for those of you who may or may not remember that but you've got, you know, essentially a business account or checking account, whatever you use, but checkings more flexible. That has your income. You have another account for your taxes. Yes, we must account for taxes. Yes, we do.

Juli Wenger:

If we do my entrepreneurs pay attention.

Unknown:

Yep. So I know you know, Joe is in Canada, I'm in the US. So they say Uncle Sam here, I don't know what the running joke is on taxes in Canada,

Juli Wenger:

the man or something.

Unknown:

So you've got a my income cool, that's what's coming in, I got to allocate from my taxes, I got to allocate for my expenses, I got to allocate for profit, like reinvesting in the business. And then the key one, Julie, that you mentioned earlier, and a lot of folks forget this, I am grossing on this stuff, but I don't have anything to show for it, because you must pay your self owners compensation. So those are just example of accounts or categories that you need to be aware of. So that like Andy, saying that talks about makes your life better if your taxes were covered. You're giving yourself a regular, you know, pay salary distribution, wherever you want to call it. I know, we've got people in different countries, but if the family needs are being taken care of, you got your taxes aside, you've got enough money and savings in the business to reinvest in it and you're watching your expenses. In other words, is this expense? A help me? Is this an eye? So there's revenue generating activity? And does this expense? Speaking of justification? Does this expense contribute to a value add in my business? Or do I just like to have it? Oh, oh, I think I know I pinched myself drill, I might have just pinched someone else. When I said that. Do I just like it? Or does it actually help? Is it a value add activity, or expense to my business? So we can't just hold on to something? Because we like it? And that's all of us, right? Oh, man, I really love this app. Well, I just like it, man, it gives me no ROI. I just really like it. Oh,

Juli Wenger:

well, we have to do a gut check. I mean, I when I was still running more of a mentor side business coach piece, it was, let's do the gut check. Let's run through three months of your expenses with a highlighter. Is there anything there that you get Ooh, about? Or it's like, why am I paying for that or that's too much, or like, just pay attention again, pay attention and attention. And like the business accounts, we'd run like nine, and it is a game changer. Because then the tax bill comes, you're like, Yeah, I got money for that. Or the accountant bill comes for a year end corporately, and you got money for that, or the surprises come and you have money for that, or the market shifts, and there's a buffer and one of the things that I saw all the time in real estate, and I'm seeing it show up with a lot of entrepreneurs, and you can probably speak to this too. And then we'll jump back into like this fruit of the Spirit train. But is that when the market shifts? Everybody's broke, right? Nobody's created any kind of savings plan. There's no buffer. It's just like, yeah, gravy, trains rolling, I'm gonna buy a boat. Like that's the most common thing we see in real estate for jokes, right is like they go buy a boat, and then the market shifts, and then someone doesn't sell a house for a few months. And oh, my goodness, what am I going to do? So us paying more attention and being more intentional about our finances, personal business, and on both sides of that allows us breathing room? Absolutely. And to step out of scarcity, because one of the things that I see cause so much overwhelm and stress. And, you know, playing small and hurting is the scarcity that's showing up, you know, it's time and money. But that money scarcity is one of the biggest triggers for people that I see show up in my business. Yeah, we want to have a abundance mentality. There's enough in the market. And that's where things like having your target audience and your niche and who do you serve. And even if somebody serves the same segment of you as you, they don't exactly do what you do. There's there's a value proposition that sets you apart from other folks like Julie, you know, there's plenty of business coaches, there's

Unknown:

like a bazillion of them, bajillion. And there's a bajillion coaches that make money in revenue in multiple countries taking care of their families and they're just fine. So you have to ask yourself if it's that many people that are able to do well I've got to have something change up here and in here to say, you know, I can do this now I might have to put some systems in place, have some habits, pay attention, those warning signs, develop metrics, but I can do this you can do this. And so to the money part, what happens is people so many folks are living paycheck to paycheck their their paycheck or a distribution or to the real estate example their house sale away from not having any money and it's like no part of paying yourself first, not just like from the investing side, but from a saving side. So there's all offense and there's defense when it comes to a good person. No financial plan and defense is having an emergency fund having those that buffer both business and personal, you know, a lot of people that had six months a year's worth of expenses, they were fine during COVID. Now, and now that's not to say, the emotional things that occurred. That's not to say the physical things that occurred weren't difficult because they were, but they weren't worried about, oh, yeah, I got money from the Texas we've got money to float for four to six months, we've got time to pivot with the market, because we've observed what's happened. And that's where we talked about being active, being proactive, not reactive, so many people in their business are reactive. Well, putting aside a buffer and your business and personal, I want to reinforce that both the business should have buffer so that you can continue to cover your operating expenses. And then personally, you should have a buffer so you can take care of things, you know, tire blows, you know, kid has a medical emergency, you ought to be able to cover both of those, and then your life is better, because you've got peace of mind.

Juli Wenger:

So let's circle back to this foundation of love. So once we've learned to love us, and we can move through that first pillar, then what?

Unknown:

That's when the true joy comes to when you understand I'm a mix here, you know, because there's our faith and I know not everybody shares it, but when you understand what it means to love yourself, and then you're able to love others. That's exciting. It's powerful. There's there's something different when you see people I don't know if you ever people watch jewelry, all the time, all the time. You see people just smiling, just bubbly. And, and those who don't understand that there's almost this like annoying frustration. Why is she smiling so much? What is so giddy? It's like, a joke that's happening and you're not in on it. And you don't understand why? Because they know what it means to be loved. And to love. So then they're walking around what joy enjoys powerful. You know why? Because you're sour attitude, doesn't bother them. It doesn't mean they don't care about you or anything like that. But that's why joy is powerful. And that's why joy gives strength. Because we're not talking about happiness. Happiness can be up down up. Joy is this constant. Because joy helps bring you through trials and tough times. Now remember, these build right? tough time comes, I still love myself. I still love others. Don't Don't forget about that. Things happen. Remember, these are building blocks. My Love doesn't go away. Because a trial comes No, I know I'm loved. I love myself. I love other people. Cool. I got joy. It's my strength. I've got a positive attitude. Zig Ziglar talked about all the time, your attitude determines your altitude, not your aptitude, not how much you know how smart you are. Because facts and I'm speaking I'm enneagram five, Joe, let me tell you some, as a five, I will still tell you facts. Don't help me. Like I lost my aunt two years ago to breast cancer. Facts didn't help me then knowing that I was loved by God, that I love myself. And that I was able to love my family that my family loved me. And when we had moments when we were crying on each other's shoulders. That's what got us through my aunt's passing away of breast cancer after over 10 year battle. So that's what I mean, about love doesn't go away, just because stuff happens. And then we're able to have joy with that the love doesn't go away. So we were able to stay in this constant state of joy, which is just powerful. And that's what sets you up for the third pillar unless you wanted to chew on that second one for a second.

Juli Wenger:

Well, just what's landing with me is that it builds the kind of strength that is actually resilience in those kinds of circumstances. Right that it allows us to see the bigger picture, it allows us to really route into something other than the tragedy of it. And as you're talking about your aunt, I'm thinking about my husband's grandma. And she passed but a year and a half ago before COVID went and then we lost grandpa a couple months later, and she went kind of suddenly and I had so much peace about it. And so much resilience with it and so much, you know context and ability to zoom out and joy. And it was really a supernatural kind of experience. It's like, Huh, like, how does this exist? I mean, I knew how it existed. But that resilience and that ability to just be a pillar of strength and be compassionate and be peaceful during that kind of a time. I don't know that that would have been possible without, you know, and really, it wouldn't have based on the conversation we're having, but without me having learned to love me, and then be able to love other people better. So that's what's landing there.

Unknown:

Love that. Yeah, joy, is resilient. And then see, Julie, that's why I love when we chat, then you said the third one. Because of that resilience, it gave you a three P and it's not like a lot of times they're in the pageants, you know, the Miss Universe, Miss America, Miss World, like I want world peace, you know, this is an inner peace. It's a it's a double portion, because you have peace, the peace on the inside, is what allows you to have peace on the outside. A lot of times you hear that, Oh, I just I just want peace of mind. That's really what you're talking about. What you're really saying is you want peace inside out. And and we live in a world that tries to talk about, well, if you do this thing, you'll get peace outside. And it's like ads, not how that works, it's inside out creates a double portion of peace, peace of mind, and then peace and the circumstance. And a lot of times because we're so used to, well, I got it, there's something I got to do. Well, the outward action is impacting your environment and your circumstances. It's not that environment doesn't matter. But you can literally run around, drive yourself crazy and not have peace of mind, because you're trying to work the outside stuff. That's why I love jewelry, how you always come back to, you got to do the daily work in the here and in here. You've got to continuously do that work day.

Juli Wenger:

Otherwise, you're giving your power away to your environment. And you're giving your power away to people and stories and societal expectations all around you that are not actually supportive of you finding any kind of internal based piece if it's all external drivers, then I mean, we're right back to what we talked about at the beginning, where you've got people who are hurt people, you've got people who have dealt with traumas, you've got people who are stressed out, you've got people who also don't have their own inner peace, or internal focused inside out kind of peace that are running the show. So how can you expect to actually get the result that you wanted, versus being able to come at it from a personal space and take self responsibility, and ownership of your own actions of your own environment of your own circumstances, which breeds peace, too. I was reading about that. In this when the de book I was telling you about. And it talking about when we own our actions, when we own our mistakes, when we own our stories, then it takes all this outside power away from them. And we can find peace with them. We can learn from them, we can step past them. And it's like, Alright, what's next?

Unknown:

Yep, absolutely. And that's where the attitude comes in. Julia, you've been through a lot of stuff in your life. I've been through a lot of stuff. And so as everyone else, and it's not that things bad things don't happen. The end of the day, though, your attitude. And you know, I've heard it said it's not about just going through life. It's when things are not if, when things go wrong, how do you respond? And it's that perpetual handling of adversity? What kind of attitude Do you have, and the strength that continue to go on and continue to fight, to be that market leader to be that coach to be that consultant and be you know, whatever it is, whatever profession you are that ability to continue? That's attitude, there's crappy things that happen to us or through us. But what kind of attitude Do I have like, unfortunately know, people have lost family members, friends, they're in COVID-19 people have lost businesses, marriages, unfortunately, have ended. And that's really, really tough, really bad things. There has also been a lot of resilience. During this pandemic, new businesses have started. New romances have been kindled or rekindled. People have had children and the pandemic so it you have to ask yourself, what side of the pendulum Are you on because you have this really, really You know, it's word we've been using all along, Julie unprecedented thing. And yet, you have people that are really thriving at of it. There There are people winning, and a time that a lot of loss is occurring. And so when you do the day the work and have a good attitude, again, your attitude, not your aptitude determines your altitude, as Zig Ziglar talks about. And so I love that, Julie.

Juli Wenger:

And I think it's important to know that the people who are winning right now are not people who have been immune to tough circumstances or loss. And I mean, it's what side of the pendulum are you on? But what side of the pendulum are you choosing to be on? What kind of lens? are you choosing to see it through? Is it a for you? Is it a to you? Is it an empowered space? Or are you staying committed to that victim mentality, of life's happening to me, and I have to wait, and when this happens, or when this is over, then I mean, then we're searching for that external piece again. So there's a lot of people that and I can see, you know, clients in the space and friends in the space and myself in this space, or there have definitely been challenges. There have been things that have really sucked. But there has been so much opportunity because we're choosing to focus on it, because we're choosing to look for it, because we're choosing to operate from a place of being available to receive and take advantage of some of the opportunities that come. But it really does require this act of getting out of our own way. For me to write it's been this continual? How do I get out of my own way? How do I retrain some of my old stories? How do I let go of some of my old patterns, because there's this attachment to drama that we have into dramatizing. And like that's been coming up for me lately, right of get the email, and it's like, what's it gonna say? Yeah, worst case scenario down the rabbit hole, and you open it up. And that's like somebody saying, I would love to work with you for another six months, you're like, Okay, I got all like, anxious about what, why, why did that just happen? And it's like an old pattern on repeat. So there's an awareness building there that we get to work through. But there's just been so much to be to be grateful for. And sometimes the, the work, we don't see the results right away. And that's where I think this patience thing comes in. Right? Have, we just do the work and trust that the rest will

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come? I see what you did there. And Joey, we got the love. And we got the job. And we have peace. And then as only a coach can do. And it's like, well, Jason, but what about this, for that this patient's now

Juli Wenger:

I mean, I'm really good at this work. I'm there, I could not have owned that two years ago, if you want to talk about loving yourself and liking yourself. And that's not from an ego space. That would have been my story two years ago is if you come out and you say you're good at something, then you're like a self centered asshole. And you should not do that. And that's very unchristian, of you. And I'm like, No, I'm a really great coach. Yeah, and I can own that. And that's what I'm called to.

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Yeah, patients is interesting, because there's two aspects of that there's patients with people. And then there's patients with your circumstance. And so patients with your circumstance is a training ground that you develop and practice on tap patients with people, because a lot of times people get frustrated with the circumstance. And then here comes coach Julie, and you're like, I want to talk to you today. And it's Oh, wait, wait, what's going on today? Well, Oh, so you had something going on, became impatient. And here comes somebody, a coach, a teacher, a mentor, who was put in your life to help you and now you're lashing out, like a tiger. And so that's what I mean that there's two aspects to patients, patients with your circumstance, and then patients toward people, patients with your circumstance as a training ground for being patient with people. In other words, the private and yes, with your family, your husband, wife, kids, because they see it most. But it's that private patients that develops the public patients, the private patients with your circumstance, develops the public patience of people,

Juli Wenger:

wisdom been sitting here writing down this is where we shall pull a sound bite for this. We're gonna take a pause on this Episode and circle back in a couple of days with the remaining half of my interview with Jason Davis. Until then, this is your loving reminder that you are love, joy, strength, light and grace that you are always always enough and that we are super excited to have you back with us. For the rest of what trust me is an interesting conversation that gets kind of fiery and will inspire you to be better